First, Vijay already used his two career money exemptions in 2022 and 2023. He should not have this one available.
Second, Andy was asking if somebody has compiled a list of who has career money exemptions they can still use. Ask and ye shall receive.
Jim Furyk, Matt Kuchar, David Toms, Stewart Cink, Davis Love III.
Finally, fields are flexing up to include all fully exempt people this year, so it is true he may not be taking a spot if and only if the field is flexing up. (Except Phoenix)
First, Vijay already used his two career money exemptions in 2022 and 2023. He should not have this one available.
Second, Andy was asking if somebody has compiled a list of who has career money exemptions they can still use. Ask and ye shall receive.
Jim Furyk, Matt Kuchar, David Toms, Stewart Cink, Davis Love III.
Finally, fields are flexing up to include all fully exempt people this year, so it is true he may not be taking a spot if and only if the field is flexing up. (Except Phoenix)
Hey folks! I'll be in Austin, TX in late Feb and I managed to arrange my work schedule to sneak in a round of golf. I've done some Googling and have a short list, but wondered if any one on here has any must plays. Let me know!
Hey folks! I'll be in Austin, TX in late Feb and I managed to arrange my work schedule to sneak in a round of golf. I've done some Googling and have a short list, but wondered if any one on here has any must plays. Let me know!
I play in a volleyball league that is pretty competitive, but in the offseason, the commish of the league is starting up a 5-week sim golf league, inviting people from all skill levels for screen golf. The commish doesn't know much about golf, so I'm trying to give him some tips. (For example, I asked him what the two-man format was, he said best ball. I pressed him further knowing full well he meant scramble) He claims the sim has almost any course we want and is excited to do courses like Augusta and Sawgrass. It sounds like there are going to be some beginner beginners in this. For example, they think I (an 18 index) am going to be one of the best players in the league (My teammate is a 2).
I think you see where I'm going with this. I think throwing newbies onto courses like Augusta and Sawgrass would be a complete disaster and unfun for all involved. Assuming they do indeed have every course in the world, any suggestions for ones I should suggest? I was thinking Mammoth Dunes, Kapalua Plantation, LACC, Trinity Forest, anything with wide wide fairways where people won't be hating life and quit.
I play in a volleyball league that is pretty competitive, but in the offseason, the commish of the league is starting up a 5-week sim golf league, inviting people from all skill levels for screen golf. The commish doesn't know much about golf, so I'm trying to give him some tips. (For example, I asked him what the two-man format was, he said best ball. I pressed him further knowing full well he meant scramble) He claims the sim has almost any course we want and is excited to do courses like Augusta and Sawgrass. It sounds like there are going to be some beginner beginners in this. For example, they think I (an 18 index) am going to be one of the best players in the league (My teammate is a 2).
I think you see where I'm going with this. I think throwing newbies onto courses like Augusta and Sawgrass would be a complete disaster and unfun for all involved. Assuming they do indeed have every course in the world, any suggestions for ones I should suggest? I was thinking Mammoth Dunes, Kapalua Plantation, LACC, Trinity Forest, anything with wide wide fairways where people won't be hating life and quit.
My biggest takeaway from the latest Yoak was that nobody was willing to just say "here's the money, do whatever you want." Like, yea, I get it, when you're investing $25 million on a golf course, you really, really need it to make money and you're likely super worried about the outcome. But what there thousands of people putting in not much at all? With 10,000 investors, you'd only need $2,500 invested per person. I mean, that's a lot of money, yes, but the point is (1) if it's an investment, it's small enough to lose, and (2) if successful, any perks from that money could probably pay for the initial investment over the lifetime of the going concern.
Now, I know finance law prohibits just asking normal folks to invest in a venture without becoming a public company, and that has non-trivial costs attached. However, the cost is low enough that I think plenty of folks would be willing to be compensated through a kick-starter structure, that is, I assume I'll get zero return on my investment, but maybe I'd get to play golf at a steep discount, or get access to a locker/bar that is otherwise private when I visit. I mean, I'd happily pitch in for a Bandon-like entity to get built if I know I'll get discounted golf and preferred access going forward. I also wouldn't care at all what the course was like, because I genuinely think pitching in for a Doak-level masterpiece to get built would be worth it.
Maybe I'm totally out of touch with reality, but it just seems doable to me.
My biggest takeaway from the latest Yoak was that nobody was willing to just say "here's the money, do whatever you want." Like, yea, I get it, when you're investing $25 million on a golf course, you really, really need it to make money and you're likely super worried about the outcome. But what there thousands of people putting in not much at all? With 10,000 investors, you'd only need $2,500 invested per person. I mean, that's a lot of money, yes, but the point is (1) if it's an investment, it's small enough to lose, and (2) if successful, any perks from that money could probably pay for the initial investment over the lifetime of the going concern.
Now, I know finance law prohibits just asking normal folks to invest in a venture without becoming a public company, and that has non-trivial costs attached. However, the cost is low enough that I think plenty of folks would be willing to be compensated through a kick-starter structure, that is, I assume I'll get zero return on my investment, but maybe I'd get to play golf at a steep discount, or get access to a locker/bar that is otherwise private when I visit. I mean, I'd happily pitch in for a Bandon-like entity to get built if I know I'll get discounted golf and preferred access going forward. I also wouldn't care at all what the course was like, because I genuinely think pitching in for a Doak-level masterpiece to get built would be worth it.
Maybe I'm totally out of touch with reality, but it just seems doable to me.
I'll have time for one round while on the Big Island and am torn on which course to choose. Outside of Nanea (definitely not well connected enough for that one!), curious if anyone has thoughts on the obvious public choices (Mauna Kea, Mauna Lani North, or Mauna Lani South) or if there are others I should consider?
I'll have time for one round while on the Big Island and am torn on which course to choose. Outside of Nanea (definitely not well connected enough for that one!), curious if anyone has thoughts on the obvious public choices (Mauna Kea, Mauna Lani North, or Mauna Lani South) or if there are others I should consider?
I'm heading down to Melbourne in a couple of weeks with some friends and will be playing some of the big dogs in the area, but I am going to stick around awhile and play more solo, and maybe pop over the 7 mile beach.
What are some good spots to hit up in Melbourne that are a reasonable price? Has anyone taken the train out to Warrnambool for a day trip from the CBD? That seems like a fun adventure, but 7 hours on a train in a day is a lot.
I'm heading down to Melbourne in a couple of weeks with some friends and will be playing some of the big dogs in the area, but I am going to stick around awhile and play more solo, and maybe pop over the 7 mile beach.
What are some good spots to hit up in Melbourne that are a reasonable price? Has anyone taken the train out to Warrnambool for a day trip from the CBD? That seems like a fun adventure, but 7 hours on a train in a day is a lot.
Morning FEGC! I'm curious if any North American fans have been to a DP world tour event. I'm thinking about going to the KLM Open in June and it would be my first time going to an international golf event. Has anyone made the trip over? Was it easy to do, what was the experience like? Thanks in advance.
Morning FEGC! I'm curious if any North American fans have been to a DP world tour event. I'm thinking about going to the KLM Open in June and it would be my first time going to an international golf event. Has anyone made the trip over? Was it easy to do, what was the experience like? Thanks in advance.
Will shared this yesterday to your inbox, but I wanted to also put the information for The Shotgun Start's first live show here.
On Thursday, February 12, Andy, Brendan, and PJ are heading to Chicagoland for their first ever live theater show at Space in Evanston, Illinois. The show will feature all your favorite segments, audience Q&A, and almost certainly a soliloquy on the Super Bowl champion Chicago Bears. Come for the laughs, stay for Champions Tour minute, and help make sure the mics are plugged in before they start.
Tickets for FEGC members are on sale now and are released to the general public on Friday, January 9. You can use code FEGC2026to purchase your tickets during the pre-sale period this week.
Will shared this yesterday to your inbox, but I wanted to also put the information for The Shotgun Start's first live show here.
On Thursday, February 12, Andy, Brendan, and PJ are heading to Chicagoland for their first ever live theater show at Space in Evanston, Illinois. The show will feature all your favorite segments, audience Q&A, and almost certainly a soliloquy on the Super Bowl champion Chicago Bears. Come for the laughs, stay for Champions Tour minute, and help make sure the mics are plugged in before they start.
Tickets for FEGC members are on sale now and are released to the general public on Friday, January 9. You can use code FEGC2026to purchase your tickets during the pre-sale period this week.
Three TGL matches down and everyone has played except Jupe stinks, and we just found out tonight that their potential roster next week is some combo of Akshay, Tiger, Kis, and Max. Not the change i thought they would make but you can’t show up to practice late. Also, they announced WTGL tonight with the retired Lexi Thompson. I don’t know if I’m more surprised there is an expansion team, a women’s version of the league, or that this will last more than 2 seasons. You have to wonder if the Liv/Tour negotiations are hung up on the PIF being able to get the next expansion team. A couple other thoughts:
Just like the MLB and NBA, analytics may be killing the fun in TGL with Cantlay’s hammer strategy
Per the most recent SGS, BP didn’t seem too thrilled there is TGL chat going on in the hottest club in town, and Andy looked like he was just disappointed.
Shane told Gotterup he’s the best indoor golfer in the world and he responded with “I don’t know if that’s a good claim to fame”
Updated power rankings: Drive, frogs, NYGC, LAGC, Bay, Jupe
Three TGL matches down and everyone has played except Jupe stinks, and we just found out tonight that their potential roster next week is some combo of Akshay, Tiger, Kis, and Max. Not the change i thought they would make but you can’t show up to practice late. Also, they announced WTGL tonight with the retired Lexi Thompson. I don’t know if I’m more surprised there is an expansion team, a women’s version of the league, or that this will last more than 2 seasons. You have to wonder if the Liv/Tour negotiations are hung up on the PIF being able to get the next expansion team. A couple other thoughts:
Just like the MLB and NBA, analytics may be killing the fun in TGL with Cantlay’s hammer strategy
Per the most recent SGS, BP didn’t seem too thrilled there is TGL chat going on in the hottest club in town, and Andy looked like he was just disappointed.
Shane told Gotterup he’s the best indoor golfer in the world and he responded with “I don’t know if that’s a good claim to fame”
Updated power rankings: Drive, frogs, NYGC, LAGC, Bay, Jupe
After heavy rainstorms slammed into the West Coast in late December, Soule Park Golf Course suffered significant flood damage. Multiple holes along the large barranca that runs through the Ojai, California, municipal course will need to be repaired or partially rebuilt.
This is the second time in three years that the course has taken a hit from rising waters. In the winter of 2022-23, portions of holes 12 and 14 were washed away. During the recent storm, the punchbowl green on the par-5 fifth hole took a particularly hard hit. Below are overhead photos of the green taken in 2022, 2024, and 2026, respectively.
Yeah. Yikes.
Soule Park has been vulnerable to floods throughout its 60-year history. In 2005, an especially intense storm left the course in a dire state. Fortunately, as I detailed in this 2019 piece, an ambitious leaseholder stepped in to rehabilitate the property and spearhead a renovation by Gil Hanse. In recent years, the course has seen a major uptick in play and media coverage.
Soule Park is near and dear to several of us at Fried Egg Golf. I grew up in nearby Goleta, California, and my dad and I played the course frequently in the late 1990s. Today, my colleague Cameron Hurdus lives about 30 minutes away.
Cameron visited Soule Park a few days ago and sent along these notes to me:
"The plan is basically to try and recapture as much of No. 5 green site as possible and put 'something' back, but no one has been hired on the design side yet.... I think what they end up building will depend on how much land is recaptured."
"There are a lot of areas that need to be addressed — just stabilizing spots and also potentially creating dams or buffers that might reroute water downstream slightly."
"The river is getting very close to the pond on No. 1/No. 10, [and a breakthrough there] would be the worst-case scenario."
"No. 12 will need some sort of stabilizing measure to keep it from eroding more."
This is all tough to hear. But I'm glad that the current leaseholder, Keith Brown, has remained committed to keeping the course open and preserving Hanse's excellent design work. All best to Keith and the team at Soule Park in their recovery efforts.
After heavy rainstorms slammed into the West Coast in late December, Soule Park Golf Course suffered significant flood damage. Multiple holes along the large barranca that runs through the Ojai, California, municipal course will need to be repaired or partially rebuilt.
This is the second time in three years that the course has taken a hit from rising waters. In the winter of 2022-23, portions of holes 12 and 14 were washed away. During the recent storm, the punchbowl green on the par-5 fifth hole took a particularly hard hit. Below are overhead photos of the green taken in 2022, 2024, and 2026, respectively.
Yeah. Yikes.
Soule Park has been vulnerable to floods throughout its 60-year history. In 2005, an especially intense storm left the course in a dire state. Fortunately, as I detailed in this 2019 piece, an ambitious leaseholder stepped in to rehabilitate the property and spearhead a renovation by Gil Hanse. In recent years, the course has seen a major uptick in play and media coverage.
Soule Park is near and dear to several of us at Fried Egg Golf. I grew up in nearby Goleta, California, and my dad and I played the course frequently in the late 1990s. Today, my colleague Cameron Hurdus lives about 30 minutes away.
Cameron visited Soule Park a few days ago and sent along these notes to me:
"The plan is basically to try and recapture as much of No. 5 green site as possible and put 'something' back, but no one has been hired on the design side yet.... I think what they end up building will depend on how much land is recaptured."
"There are a lot of areas that need to be addressed — just stabilizing spots and also potentially creating dams or buffers that might reroute water downstream slightly."
"The river is getting very close to the pond on No. 1/No. 10, [and a breakthrough there] would be the worst-case scenario."
"No. 12 will need some sort of stabilizing measure to keep it from eroding more."
This is all tough to hear. But I'm glad that the current leaseholder, Keith Brown, has remained committed to keeping the course open and preserving Hanse's excellent design work. All best to Keith and the team at Soule Park in their recovery efforts.
I'm brainstorming ideas for Golf Architecture 101 episodes and segments for the 2026 run of Designing Golf.
What basic questions do you have about golf course design? Or, if you're more advanced in your golf architecture knowledge, what 101-type topics would you like to see covered?
I'm brainstorming ideas for Golf Architecture 101 episodes and segments for the 2026 run of Designing Golf.
What basic questions do you have about golf course design? Or, if you're more advanced in your golf architecture knowledge, what 101-type topics would you like to see covered?
Heading to the Land Down Under for the 2027 Australian Open next January. Will probably only be able to golf 1-2 times but was trying to lay the groundwork early in hopes of getting out somewhere world class with my FiL.
Does anyone have any insights or experience getting out on some of the better courses in Melbourne? Thank you!
Heading to the Land Down Under for the 2027 Australian Open next January. Will probably only be able to golf 1-2 times but was trying to lay the groundwork early in hopes of getting out somewhere world class with my FiL.
Does anyone have any insights or experience getting out on some of the better courses in Melbourne? Thank you!
Trying to cobble something together for a long weekend mid-fall 2026 and add to my quest to play a round in every state.
The Nevada/Arizona/Utah corridor looks like an efficient way to punch three of those off the list. I have some ideas off of Google maps and basic research, but if anyone has preferences or great experiences with courses in that area, I'm happy to investigate and possibly add them to my agenda. Most likely scenario is fly into Vegas on Thursday night and out on Sunday evening, so at least one round each day. Thanks in advance.
Trying to cobble something together for a long weekend mid-fall 2026 and add to my quest to play a round in every state.
The Nevada/Arizona/Utah corridor looks like an efficient way to punch three of those off the list. I have some ideas off of Google maps and basic research, but if anyone has preferences or great experiences with courses in that area, I'm happy to investigate and possibly add them to my agenda. Most likely scenario is fly into Vegas on Thursday night and out on Sunday evening, so at least one round each day. Thanks in advance.
Thanks Matthew! The lines on a few of the holes are linear mounding and cop bunkers, commonly found at Old Barnwell (most notably on the 1st hole there). Although disliked by those who don't like some of the more unique Victorian-era features (sorry Garrett…I think they will be making a comeback here very soon)…I think they are fantastic for lands with minimal elevation change. Love the comments and would love to hear more input!
I have a one questions right out of the gate: what are the black bars that cross many sections of the fairway?
I think there are some really good changes here, especially the added width on 15, which makes the strategy there even more interesting! I do have some concerns, like the 11th tee where it now seems advantageous to play over the 1st green and onto the 2nd fairway to approach 11th green, but perhaps I don't really understand the way the course is set up.
Unfortunately, without understanding the green contours, I can't really understand whether some of the minimalist changes will challenge players. However, it does look much, much cleaner and more deliberate than the existing site, which seems very overly bunkered to the point of exasperation. I mean, just looking at the current version of #2 makes me understand why you wanted to rework the design. It is obscenely penal, to the point where you wonder if they designer is trying to make it unfun on purpose.
Definitely a worthwhile endeavor.
Hi Kevin, definitely try to play Francis Byrn if you are in the area. I've lived in NYC for several years and regrettably had not played it until after the FEGC event at Essex County Country Club (which is just up the hill from Francis Byrn). Since last August I have played there 7 or 8 times and would definitely put it as the best value course and maybe the best public course in the greater NY metro area. Some really good Raynor templates, good land movement, and offers some great strategic challenge and fun. I've also been pretty impressed with the condition - greens tend to be a little on the slower side but that's a trade off for a busy municipal course with interesting greens I'll take it. I believe $65 is the peak non-resident rate so it's my easy number 1 - the only caveat is that you may find getting a tee time very challenging especially if you are looking for a morning or weekend.
Rock Spring also has some fun holes, a few decent templates, and it does have a couple of nice skyline views of Manhattan, but on the whole, I don't find it quite as interesting as Byrn (especially around the greens). Playing there a half dozen times over the past two years I also have found of the course to play really soft (most of these rounds have been spring or late fall though). As mentioned, they use dynamic pricing so you may find a little more availability with tee times; however, I think they are charging around $200 for prime tee-times.
Hendricks, I have only played once. It's a good local course and if you are wanting to play in that immediate area and can't play the others it's a fine option, but not necessarily one I would go out of my way to play.
One last tip, especially for Francis Byrn - if you are struggling for a tee time, check back the day prior for an earlier tee time as they tend to get some cancelations especially for 1-2 players.
There is a map of the MacRaynor course in Daniel Wexler's book, Missing Links. He also includes a 1938 aerial where some of the abandoned holes (including the Short and Biarritz) are clearly visible, with the highway expansion cutting through them. Judging from the map, I think Bahto was being overly generous when he refers to those holes (other than 3 and 7) as being "retained." They did keep many of the old hole names when Flynn redesigned the course, though.
1 and 9 do roughly follow the old hole corridors of holes 1 and 18, respectively.
2 I don't see at all. The modern 2nd green sits vaguely in the same area as the MacDonald 12th green, which was a par 5.
8 appears to sit on more or less that same land as the old 15th, but, again, it looks to me like Flynn just built an entirely new hole. I can try posting a picture on the app (the book has long been out of print, as far as I know).
The caddie I had when playing the course helpfully told me “don’t hit it in the water” just before my shot when I had about 150y to the pin, I hadn’t even noticed the pond. Does seem very out of place!
The Explore the Course feature is great!
Flynn was such a master. We're fortunate to have Shinnecock and Merion, but I can only imagine what he could've done if he'd been given a couple more top-tier sites for original designs.
Question about the pond on the 6th hole. Do you know why it was incorporated when it seem a little bit out of place given that water isn't featured anywhere else and it doesn't seem to be in play?
Had this question too. We have 2 relatively untouched Willie Dunn Jrs in Iowa and was curious how different todays course it routed. Because I think our 2 in Iowa while basic have great routings.
I played Rock Spring in 2023 ahead of the Yale Fried Egg event and I really enjoyed the course. A little scruffier than some of the other Raynors I’ve seen, but there were a lot of interesting templates and the routing’s utilization of the land forms kept things interesting and asked varying questions from an execution standpoint.
I’d definitely play it again if I was in the area, but the Francis Byrne interested me as well so I think you have solid options no matter what you decide.
Have a great trip!
Hey Kevin - I'm a former Essex County resident and still get back a few times a year visiting family. Francis Byrne and Hendricks are both county courses that have been renovated in the last few years. Rock Spring is a former private course, now owned by the local town. In terms of architecture, I think I'd probably rank them 1. Rock Spring, 2. Francis Byrne and then Hendricks a distant third. Rock Spring had a dynamic pricing model as of last year but I'd imagine the rate at Byrne or Rock Spring is about the same for out of town/county residents. Conditions are probably best at Rock Spring, then Byrne then Hendricks.
