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Pasatiempo - Grass choices

Was watching some of the Western Intercollegiate this week and noticed that Pasatiempo chose to use a different grass type for the green surrounds (very noticeable on overhead shots). I’ve played the course years ago before the restoration and don’t recall that setup. Does anyone know the purpose of this and which grass type used?

Was watching some of the Western Intercollegiate this week and noticed that Pasatiempo chose to use a different grass type for the green surrounds (very noticeable on overhead shots). I’ve played the course years ago before the restoration and don’t recall that setup. Does anyone know the purpose of this and which grass type used?

April 17, 2026
Logical fallacies in the rollback #discourse

One thing that really struck me reading the reaction to Chairman Ridley’s rollback comments earlier this week was just how poor the general literacy on this subject is. Just look at the comments on this post, and you’ll see all kinds of logical fallacies, debunked myths and braindead reactions. And while we know there are bad actors out there facilitating this to a degree, I just think it’s really hard for the average person to find good, clear, introductory information on the topic. Even though I think the USGA’s Distance Insights Report does a good job of this, no one wants to go read that.

For as much good work as I think podcasts like Designing Golf, FEG and others have done combatting this, it’s also pretty common whenever the rollback discourse hits the news cycle to hear something like ‘we don’t have time to get into a whole rollback discussion here.’ I’m not suggesting that’s a failure, but it’s emblematic of the problem; you could have an interested listener come across that statement and be interested in hearing more, but then need to wade into the depths of the internet to try and find decent answers.

With that in mind and given this is probably a pro-rollback leaning space, I’m working on a more accessible version of an FAQ/explainer guide to earnestly try to understand the worst logical fallacies and bad-faith arguments, and then pick them apart in an accessible way. I’m aiming to publish this in a space that focuses on approachable breakdowns of course strategy and design. Would appreciate any feedback or criticisms of the explainers, or any arguments I’m missing!

“People Like Watching Bombs!”

The argument: Limiting the distance players can hit the ball would come at the expense of one of the most entertaining parts of the game. Who doesn’t love watching bombs? Seeing players pull off herculean feats like driving par-4s, covering a heroic carry or taking a mighty lash at the ball is a sight that can appeal to sports fans and explains much of the mainstream appeal of players like Tiger Woods, John Daly, Rory McIlroy. If we limit how far the ball goes, we’re limiting the chances for more entertaining moments and appealing athletes to showcase their skills.

Why it’s wrong: The appeal of watching players hit bombs is that it’s a relative accomplishment. It has nothing to do with the absolute distance they hit it; It’s the relative length compared to the course and competition that make such feats notable and entertaining. No one cares that a drive went 350 yards because it went 350 yards; they care because that’s a bigger number than they’re used to seeing. It wasn’t long ago that John Daly was a cult figure because he was the only player to average 300 yards off the tee, but 115 PGA Tour players averaged more than that in 2025 - you wouldn’t argue that they’re all as exciting as JD, would you?

Bryson’s famous drive on #6 at Bay Hill wasn’t just impressive because he hit it over a body of water; it’s because he hit it on a line we had never seen another player successfully take in decades of watching tournaments there. Rory driving it to 3’ on the 18th hole at the Match Play a couple of years ago wasn’t exciting just because he hit a great shot from a long distance; he accomplished something that no one else had been able to do at that event, and that you wouldn’t expect someone to be able to do with a driver.

The more common that kind of accomplishment becomes, the longer holes have to be set up to continue making that accomplishment special. It’s the same reason that a player shooting 59, on any tour, used to make a player a household name; it’s been done 13 times since 2020 - how many of those can you even name?

“Playing the same equipment as the pros is what makes golf great.”

The argument: This one is mostly relevant for proposals to bifurcate equipment, but it’s one of my favourites nonetheless. The argument goes, one of the greatest things about the game of golf is that you can play the exact same equipment, and in many cases on the same courses, as the pros. Being able to play the same driver as your favourite player keeps people playing the game, and taking that away comes at the expense of the game’s popularity

Why it’s wrong: Unless you have exactly the same swing and golf game as your favourite tour player, there’s absolutely no reason you should be playing the exact same equipment as them, even if it’s made by the same brand. If you went to a club or ball fitting and said to the fitter, “I really like the way Justin Thomas hits low spinners, so give me his ProV1x” or “I love how Scottie hits slider cuts with his driver, can you build me his exact Qi4D?” they’d look at you like you had two heads. Even if you really want to hit those shots, there’s a comically low chance that the right equipment to help you do that is going to be the same as that pro’s setup.

Now, there’s an idea that equipment companies need to market their clubs based on tour-proven performance, and I’m supportive of that. But that’s not the same thing as playing literally the same clubs or balls as your favourite player. If equipment companies can’t find a way to say, ‘the same technology that helps Rory in his driver can help you in a driver that’s fit for your game,’ that’s on them.

“Most courses don’t host tour events, so why should a rollback apply to them?”

The argument: Most courses have no chance of ever hosting a tour event or major championship, so if they want to keep lengthening their courses and building new tee boxes and moving bunkers to keep up with the pro game, that’s on them. Don’t bother legislating something that’s meant to address the concerns of 1% of golf courses.

Why it’s wrong: Have you ever heard a course described as a ‘championship’ golf course, even if it’s obviously not a venue for any kind of championship event? Do you even know what a ‘championship’ golf course means? Of course not, it’s just marketing, but there’s a reason it’s so prevalent.

Ask yourself this: If a new golf course opened today a maxed out length of 6,100 yards, would much of the golfing public perceive it as flawed or inferior in some way? Of course they would.

In marketing speak, most golf courses compete on Points of Parity, essentially the attributes that are required to be a legitimate competitor in a market category. If you’re a developer building a new high-end public course with a premium green fee, you’re taking on a lot of risk if you don’t build a course that’s as long as the other new “championship” public courses. That’s not to validate the argument, but the incentives for anyone putting capital into course construction point strongly in the direction of building courses longer and longer. I’m sure there’s a name for this, like ‘competitive creep’ or something like that.

I appreciate that there are new courses like Sedge Valley which are a direct rebuke of this concept, and hope to see more courses like this become part of the public consciousness. But there’s a reason that course is as radical and noteworthy as it is.

Why does it even matter? What’s the problem with courses getting longer and the ball going farther?

The argument: Who cares if courses are longer and the ball goes farther? I don’t care about romantic notions of shotmaking, and the game is just played differently now.

Why it’s wrong: As explained above, course developers and operators are incentivized to keep making their courses longer. When that happens, it means more turf to maintain, and expense to do that is passed on to the golfer. It means it takes longer to walk or drive courses, which makes pace of play worse. It means it takes more acreage to build a new course, which pushes what new development there is farther away from population centres and makes the game less accessible, if it even happens at all.

“If the ball is rolled back, players will just speed train up to hit it the same distance as they do now.”

The argument: I took a crack at this one earlier this year when Dr. Sasho Mackenzie made some head-scratching points on the NLU podcast, so I can relay this one word-for-word: “I think you will see if you slow the ball down, that little bit they're slowing it down, you will see a lot of players overnight instantly jack up their clubhead speed to start getting the ball to go back to that distance."

Why it’s wrong: If players could truly make such meaningful speed gains ‘overnight’ at no cost to accuracy (let alone the physical impact on their bodies), why wouldn’t they do it now? The answer is, of course, that there ARE risks and factors to be weighed when trying to hit it farther. If the rolled back ball goes 15% shorter on average and players want to speed train to get back to the same ball speed numbers they’re at now, that is absolutely going to make them hit drives at that same speed with a much wider dispersion, and require them to push their bodies further to do so. Would SOME players be able to successfully speed train to get back to pre-rollback levels? Probably! And doing so would require skill and hard work - I’d much rather reward that than reward a player for putting a new driver in the bag.

“I agree with the rollback argument, but don’t take away from the game just as it’s gotten so popular! Now is not the time.”

The argument: Golf is on a popularity boom, and making the game harder for the average player now would be an own goal. We shouldn’t turn away new golfers that have just picked up the game.

Why it’s wrong: Putting aside the likelihood that a rolled back ball would have a negligible impact on the vast majority of new golfers, this one might be the most disingenuous. Would it be better to roll the ball back when the game’s popularity is at its lowest? Of course not.

I recently got into this on Instagram with someone, who said they didn’t want their ‘hard-won distance gains’ taken away. The last time I checked, there’s no spot on the scorecard for how far you hit your 7-iron. If the thing about golf that gets you satisfaction is hitting a 7-iron over a bunker to a tucked pin, and you’re worried about not being able to do that with a rolled back ball, then just move up a set of tees! Which, if everyone did, would help golf take less time.

“I agree with the rollback, but think it should be done to drivers and clubs, not balls/I agree with the rollback, but the current proposal isn’t going to address anything”

The argument: Even if you support a rollback, the proposal tabled by the USGA won’t accomplish anything because the real problem is that the drivers are too big, hot and forgiving.

Why it’s wrong: This is true, and we never should have let drivers and woods get to where they are now, but that ship has sailed. Let’s say you did nothing to the ball and imposed a size limit of 280cc on drivers. Would players with a great mini driver or 3-wood be severely impacted? Probably not, though this would be a good reason to support bifurcation - part of the reason players can speed train as aggressively as they do now is the forgiveness of modern drivers. Go ahead tell me Ludvig’s toe ball on 11 at The Players would have gone 320 down the middle if that strike was on a mini driver.

But in any case, manufacturers will find some incredible new engineering feat to make whatever limitations they have to work around work. The golf ball is the one piece of equipment everyone uses, and a real change to the ball negates the inevitable engineering gains the club makers will find.

“Rollback should be done through course design, not equipment regulation.”

The argument: Courses like Harbour Town and Augusta effectively limit distance by having well-placed trees, and this should be the model for disincentivizing distance gains. Guys like Scottie Scheffler have expressed their disdain for modern, open-air courses, and we need more trees.

Why it’s wrong: Anyone who makes this argument should also be fine with worse turf conditions and slower greens, as well as more chemical and pesticide usage on courses, because more trees mean more shade, worse air flow and more root problems - a superintendent’s nightmare, and a sure contributor to making the game more expensive.

There’s obviously a place in the game for these kinds of courses. But if every course as like Harbour Town, would it be as beloved? Of course not. Heavily-treed, narrow courses dictate a certain style of play, and make an angles-based, strategic style of golf where thinking about your route to the hole is just as important as physically accomplishing the shots. This is what Chairman Ridley was getting at - the essence of golf is that it’s a game based on strategy, tact and thought. If we limit that ‘strategy’ to “I have to hit hybrid off the tee instead of driver because there’s a tree blocking the line where I can drive it,” we’re dumbing the game down and missing out a huge part of what makes it so great.

Also, why should the courses (most of which are small, family-owned businesses) bear the cost of adjusting to the game instead of the large, publicly-traded equipment companies?

One thing that really struck me reading the reaction to Chairman Ridley’s rollback comments earlier this week was just how poor the general literacy on this subject is. Just look at the comments on this post, and you’ll see all kinds of logical fallacies, debunked myths and braindead reactions. And while we know there are bad actors out there facilitating this to a degree, I just think it’s really hard for the average person to find good, clear, introductory information on the topic. Even though I think the USGA’s Distance Insights Report does a good job of this, no one wants to go read that.

For as much good work as I think podcasts like Designing Golf, FEG and others have done combatting this, it’s also pretty common whenever the rollback discourse hits the news cycle to hear something like ‘we don’t have time to get into a whole rollback discussion here.’ I’m not suggesting that’s a failure, but it’s emblematic of the problem; you could have an interested listener come across that statement and be interested in hearing more, but then need to wade into the depths of the internet to try and find decent answers.

With that in mind and given this is probably a pro-rollback leaning space, I’m working on a more accessible version of an FAQ/explainer guide to earnestly try to understand the worst logical fallacies and bad-faith arguments, and then pick them apart in an accessible way. I’m aiming to publish this in a space that focuses on approachable breakdowns of course strategy and design. Would appreciate any feedback or criticisms of the explainers, or any arguments I’m missing!

“People Like Watching Bombs!”

The argument: Limiting the distance players can hit the ball would come at the expense of one of the most entertaining parts of the game. Who doesn’t love watching bombs? Seeing players pull off herculean feats like driving par-4s, covering a heroic carry or taking a mighty lash at the ball is a sight that can appeal to sports fans and explains much of the mainstream appeal of players like Tiger Woods, John Daly, Rory McIlroy. If we limit how far the ball goes, we’re limiting the chances for more entertaining moments and appealing athletes to showcase their skills.

Why it’s wrong: The appeal of watching players hit bombs is that it’s a relative accomplishment. It has nothing to do with the absolute distance they hit it; It’s the relative length compared to the course and competition that make such feats notable and entertaining. No one cares that a drive went 350 yards because it went 350 yards; they care because that’s a bigger number than they’re used to seeing. It wasn’t long ago that John Daly was a cult figure because he was the only player to average 300 yards off the tee, but 115 PGA Tour players averaged more than that in 2025 - you wouldn’t argue that they’re all as exciting as JD, would you?

Bryson’s famous drive on #6 at Bay Hill wasn’t just impressive because he hit it over a body of water; it’s because he hit it on a line we had never seen another player successfully take in decades of watching tournaments there. Rory driving it to 3’ on the 18th hole at the Match Play a couple of years ago wasn’t exciting just because he hit a great shot from a long distance; he accomplished something that no one else had been able to do at that event, and that you wouldn’t expect someone to be able to do with a driver.

The more common that kind of accomplishment becomes, the longer holes have to be set up to continue making that accomplishment special. It’s the same reason that a player shooting 59, on any tour, used to make a player a household name; it’s been done 13 times since 2020 - how many of those can you even name?

“Playing the same equipment as the pros is what makes golf great.”

The argument: This one is mostly relevant for proposals to bifurcate equipment, but it’s one of my favourites nonetheless. The argument goes, one of the greatest things about the game of golf is that you can play the exact same equipment, and in many cases on the same courses, as the pros. Being able to play the same driver as your favourite player keeps people playing the game, and taking that away comes at the expense of the game’s popularity

Why it’s wrong: Unless you have exactly the same swing and golf game as your favourite tour player, there’s absolutely no reason you should be playing the exact same equipment as them, even if it’s made by the same brand. If you went to a club or ball fitting and said to the fitter, “I really like the way Justin Thomas hits low spinners, so give me his ProV1x” or “I love how Scottie hits slider cuts with his driver, can you build me his exact Qi4D?” they’d look at you like you had two heads. Even if you really want to hit those shots, there’s a comically low chance that the right equipment to help you do that is going to be the same as that pro’s setup.

Now, there’s an idea that equipment companies need to market their clubs based on tour-proven performance, and I’m supportive of that. But that’s not the same thing as playing literally the same clubs or balls as your favourite player. If equipment companies can’t find a way to say, ‘the same technology that helps Rory in his driver can help you in a driver that’s fit for your game,’ that’s on them.

“Most courses don’t host tour events, so why should a rollback apply to them?”

The argument: Most courses have no chance of ever hosting a tour event or major championship, so if they want to keep lengthening their courses and building new tee boxes and moving bunkers to keep up with the pro game, that’s on them. Don’t bother legislating something that’s meant to address the concerns of 1% of golf courses.

Why it’s wrong: Have you ever heard a course described as a ‘championship’ golf course, even if it’s obviously not a venue for any kind of championship event? Do you even know what a ‘championship’ golf course means? Of course not, it’s just marketing, but there’s a reason it’s so prevalent.

Ask yourself this: If a new golf course opened today a maxed out length of 6,100 yards, would much of the golfing public perceive it as flawed or inferior in some way? Of course they would.

In marketing speak, most golf courses compete on Points of Parity, essentially the attributes that are required to be a legitimate competitor in a market category. If you’re a developer building a new high-end public course with a premium green fee, you’re taking on a lot of risk if you don’t build a course that’s as long as the other new “championship” public courses. That’s not to validate the argument, but the incentives for anyone putting capital into course construction point strongly in the direction of building courses longer and longer. I’m sure there’s a name for this, like ‘competitive creep’ or something like that.

I appreciate that there are new courses like Sedge Valley which are a direct rebuke of this concept, and hope to see more courses like this become part of the public consciousness. But there’s a reason that course is as radical and noteworthy as it is.

Why does it even matter? What’s the problem with courses getting longer and the ball going farther?

The argument: Who cares if courses are longer and the ball goes farther? I don’t care about romantic notions of shotmaking, and the game is just played differently now.

Why it’s wrong: As explained above, course developers and operators are incentivized to keep making their courses longer. When that happens, it means more turf to maintain, and expense to do that is passed on to the golfer. It means it takes longer to walk or drive courses, which makes pace of play worse. It means it takes more acreage to build a new course, which pushes what new development there is farther away from population centres and makes the game less accessible, if it even happens at all.

“If the ball is rolled back, players will just speed train up to hit it the same distance as they do now.”

The argument: I took a crack at this one earlier this year when Dr. Sasho Mackenzie made some head-scratching points on the NLU podcast, so I can relay this one word-for-word: “I think you will see if you slow the ball down, that little bit they're slowing it down, you will see a lot of players overnight instantly jack up their clubhead speed to start getting the ball to go back to that distance."

Why it’s wrong: If players could truly make such meaningful speed gains ‘overnight’ at no cost to accuracy (let alone the physical impact on their bodies), why wouldn’t they do it now? The answer is, of course, that there ARE risks and factors to be weighed when trying to hit it farther. If the rolled back ball goes 15% shorter on average and players want to speed train to get back to the same ball speed numbers they’re at now, that is absolutely going to make them hit drives at that same speed with a much wider dispersion, and require them to push their bodies further to do so. Would SOME players be able to successfully speed train to get back to pre-rollback levels? Probably! And doing so would require skill and hard work - I’d much rather reward that than reward a player for putting a new driver in the bag.

“I agree with the rollback argument, but don’t take away from the game just as it’s gotten so popular! Now is not the time.”

The argument: Golf is on a popularity boom, and making the game harder for the average player now would be an own goal. We shouldn’t turn away new golfers that have just picked up the game.

Why it’s wrong: Putting aside the likelihood that a rolled back ball would have a negligible impact on the vast majority of new golfers, this one might be the most disingenuous. Would it be better to roll the ball back when the game’s popularity is at its lowest? Of course not.

I recently got into this on Instagram with someone, who said they didn’t want their ‘hard-won distance gains’ taken away. The last time I checked, there’s no spot on the scorecard for how far you hit your 7-iron. If the thing about golf that gets you satisfaction is hitting a 7-iron over a bunker to a tucked pin, and you’re worried about not being able to do that with a rolled back ball, then just move up a set of tees! Which, if everyone did, would help golf take less time.

“I agree with the rollback, but think it should be done to drivers and clubs, not balls/I agree with the rollback, but the current proposal isn’t going to address anything”

The argument: Even if you support a rollback, the proposal tabled by the USGA won’t accomplish anything because the real problem is that the drivers are too big, hot and forgiving.

Why it’s wrong: This is true, and we never should have let drivers and woods get to where they are now, but that ship has sailed. Let’s say you did nothing to the ball and imposed a size limit of 280cc on drivers. Would players with a great mini driver or 3-wood be severely impacted? Probably not, though this would be a good reason to support bifurcation - part of the reason players can speed train as aggressively as they do now is the forgiveness of modern drivers. Go ahead tell me Ludvig’s toe ball on 11 at The Players would have gone 320 down the middle if that strike was on a mini driver.

But in any case, manufacturers will find some incredible new engineering feat to make whatever limitations they have to work around work. The golf ball is the one piece of equipment everyone uses, and a real change to the ball negates the inevitable engineering gains the club makers will find.

“Rollback should be done through course design, not equipment regulation.”

The argument: Courses like Harbour Town and Augusta effectively limit distance by having well-placed trees, and this should be the model for disincentivizing distance gains. Guys like Scottie Scheffler have expressed their disdain for modern, open-air courses, and we need more trees.

Why it’s wrong: Anyone who makes this argument should also be fine with worse turf conditions and slower greens, as well as more chemical and pesticide usage on courses, because more trees mean more shade, worse air flow and more root problems - a superintendent’s nightmare, and a sure contributor to making the game more expensive.

There’s obviously a place in the game for these kinds of courses. But if every course as like Harbour Town, would it be as beloved? Of course not. Heavily-treed, narrow courses dictate a certain style of play, and make an angles-based, strategic style of golf where thinking about your route to the hole is just as important as physically accomplishing the shots. This is what Chairman Ridley was getting at - the essence of golf is that it’s a game based on strategy, tact and thought. If we limit that ‘strategy’ to “I have to hit hybrid off the tee instead of driver because there’s a tree blocking the line where I can drive it,” we’re dumbing the game down and missing out a huge part of what makes it so great.

Also, why should the courses (most of which are small, family-owned businesses) bear the cost of adjusting to the game instead of the large, publicly-traded equipment companies?

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April 16, 2026
Courses as Movies

Movie:Course:Reasoning

I'll start:

Star Wars IV : Pebble Beach : A classic. Point out its flaws feels sacrilegious…but they are there.

The Princess Bride : Bandon Trails : A lovely movie. The plot(routing) is a delight. The characters(holes) are enjoyable. I quote(think about it) regularly.

Dazed and Confused : Chambers Bay : Didn’t do very well at the box office (USGA) but it’s a fan favorite and served as a coming out party for a lone star legend.

Dumb & Dumber : Mammoth Dunes : Fun(ny). People quote it but critics may be sceptical of its cinematic merits.

Gladiator : Erin Hills : It’s long. It’ll kick your ass. You’ll be entertained.


Movie:Course:Reasoning

I'll start:

Star Wars IV : Pebble Beach : A classic. Point out its flaws feels sacrilegious…but they are there.

The Princess Bride : Bandon Trails : A lovely movie. The plot(routing) is a delight. The characters(holes) are enjoyable. I quote(think about it) regularly.

Dazed and Confused : Chambers Bay : Didn’t do very well at the box office (USGA) but it’s a fan favorite and served as a coming out party for a lone star legend.

Dumb & Dumber : Mammoth Dunes : Fun(ny). People quote it but critics may be sceptical of its cinematic merits.

Gladiator : Erin Hills : It’s long. It’ll kick your ass. You’ll be entertained.


April 8, 2026
Par 3 courses

Today is St. Parthree Day.

Resorts are capitalizing on the popularity of the Par 3. The Hay 2.0, The Sandbox, Bandon Preserve, and Shorty's to name a few.

What makes for a good par 3 course? Half shots? Interesting green complexes? #Vibes?

What's your favorite?

Today is St. Parthree Day.

Resorts are capitalizing on the popularity of the Par 3. The Hay 2.0, The Sandbox, Bandon Preserve, and Shorty's to name a few.

What makes for a good par 3 course? Half shots? Interesting green complexes? #Vibes?

What's your favorite?

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April 16, 2026
Denver Golf Recommendations

Hi all! I’m visiting some friends in the Denver area in September. If we were playing one round where should it be?? I know CommonGround but admittedly don’t know many other courses in the area. Send me your can’t miss recommendations. Thanks!

Hi all! I’m visiting some friends in the Denver area in September. If we were playing one round where should it be?? I know CommonGround but admittedly don’t know many other courses in the area. Send me your can’t miss recommendations. Thanks!

April 6, 2026
Elie, front-to-back greens, and golf before it had a vocabulary.

Spent some time at Elie recently and wrote about how the course unfolds over a round, especially through the front-to-back greens. Part of it was also thinking about architecture before there was a clear language for it.

Curious how others see it, and if there are other courses that hit a similar note.


Before Architecture Had a Vocabulary: Elie as a Case Study

Golf architecture has a language now. Golden Age architects wrote about strategic philosophy, heroic design, and penal architecture. They documented templates: Redan, Cape, Alps. By the modern era, architects like Pete Dye and Tom Doak were publishing books and creating frameworks for evaluation: risk-reward, half-par holes, shot values. Golfers of all levels added their own preferences, and layers of documented thought now sit between a golfer and the ground beneath their feet.

Elie Golf Links dates from 1589, with the current course formed 1895, long before we had language to describe what made a course good or terminology to label its features as 'unfair' or 'impractical.' Old Tom Morris walked the ground and let it dictate the golf. Elie wasn't designed to answer questions about templates or strategy because those questions hadn't been asked yet. It just is what the land wanted to be.

Early architects had almost no tools to reshape the land; they didn't have bulldozers, graders, or irrigation networks. They also didn't have the time, budget, or desire to get in the way. Without the means to fight the land, architects had no choice but to trust it, and the subtle rolls, odd tilts, and irregular slopes that give older courses their character emerge naturally because there was never anything to erase them.

Modern architects face the opposite condition. With heavy machinery and mass grading, they can pursue whatever theory or vision they want. The downside is that those natural details — features that might have anchored a unique hole — often disappear in the process, erased to make room for hazards or shapes that fit preferred ideas. The irony is that the ability to create anything has led to courses that feel less varied than the ones built when architects could create almost nothing. When you can reshape everything, it becomes easier, almost natural, to repeat the forms that have been praised before.

Front-To-Back Greens at Elie

The most distinctive feature of Elie is its eight front-to-back sloped greens. Members at Elie even claim that William and Henry Fownes took inspiration from their club when designing Oakmont, which also features many front-to-back greens. It's a design feature that is largely dormant, with most courses opting for back-to-front slopes that punish short misses and reward aerial precision.

In an era where distance overwhelms most classic designs, front-to-back slopes are a built-in defence that length can't defeat. Draw spin that puts you two yards deeper on a green anywhere else is likely to send the ball running off the back. A short iron from 150 yards demands a real decision about trajectory, spin, and landing zone rather than the automatic stock shot. It keeps the course honest without adding length or artificial difficulty.

Elie 10th Hole Green

Gary Lisbon

Front-to-back greens fell out of favour for both practical and philosophical reasons. Modern green construction standards are built so that nothing drains on to the putting surface. A back-to-front green can drop off sharply at the back without issue, because that edge isn't in play. Front-to-back greens don't have that luxury. But the main reason is philosophical. Golfers perceive them as unfair because a shot that's slightly long runs away from you in a way that feels disproportionate to the mistake. The shift towards aerial approaches stems from the belief that they offer the clearest, most objective measure of a "good shot." Early Scottish golfers had no such expectations. Rub of the green was literally in the rulebook, covering everything from a divot to a sheep kicking your ball.

Blindness at The Golf House Club Elie

These golfers didn't feel entitled to see every shot either; blindness was part of the sport, and to repeat what has been said many times in Scotland, "A shot is only blind once." Modern golfers expect to see the entire putting surface and flagstick from the fairway, and back-to-front slopes naturally provide that visibility, whilst front-to-back greens hide the back portion and obscure depth perception. The 6th at Elie is a clear example of that divide. The tee shot climbs over a rise to a fairway you can't see. The land falls and tilts in a way that feels both natural but slightly off-balance. Four bunkers sit in the middle of the fairway, 240–270 yards from the tee, and right beyond them begins a steep fall off to the green, which is severely sloped from front to back. By modern standards, it violates multiple "rules," and yet the hole works beautifully.

Holes like the 6th and 10th are appreciated by everyone who plays the course, but they wouldn't be replicated by a course today. Everyone claims to love links golf and its quirks, but there's an unspoken limit to that appreciation. The assumption seems to be that because these courses were built in golf's infancy, we can appreciate their oddities, but we shouldn't actually design like this any more.

I am wary of assigning too much blame to modern architects. Linksland is the best canvas the game has, and the early designers had first choice. Modern architects who've been fortunate enough to work on similar ground have produced plenty of great courses, even if they're more polished and less quirky.

Blind Opening Tee Shot Elie PeriscopeThe opening tee shot at Elie gives you a taste of what is to come...

Gary Lisbon

Old Tom Morris’ Routing at Elie

Great routing requires understanding how the land wants to be walked, and trusting that natural variety is enough. With the ability to reshape the ground freely, there's pressure to make every hole theatrical and to manufacture drama where the land might be quieter. The result is that many modern courses feel disjointed. It's like an action film that fills every scene with car chases.

Elie doesn't work that way. Some parts of the land are naturally dramatic, and some aren't. Elie's routing works because Old Tom didn't have that temptation, which gives the round a pacing modern courses rarely achieve. The round builds gradually. The early holes are solid but not spectacular; they feel like a warm-up, partly because a long stone wall confines them. The middle stretch opens up, revealing the course's range. Then, at the 10th, you reach the top of a hill, and the sea appears all at once. It's the natural climax because that's where the land delivers its most dramatic moment. The stretch along the shoreline that follows contains some of the best holes in Fife, with a feeling that the course has been building towards this all along.

Bay Links Elie Golf

Gary Lisbon

Then there's the finish. The beauty of it is how unremarkable it is. The course is built into the land, so naturally, at some point, you have to start working your way back to where you started. And that means the ending can't be, and shouldn't be, as grand as what came before. A modern architect might try to manufacture a grand finale here, to end with a flourish that matches the coastal stretch. But that's not what the land offers. The holes returning to the clubhouse are good but not breathtaking, and that restraint makes the whole course feel more honest. Not every part of the ground can be spectacular, and Elie doesn't pretend otherwise.

At Elie, we don't know what Old Tom was thinking. There's no overarching technical pattern, no documented philosophy to guide our interpretation. That lack of explanation is what gives the course its purity. You're forced to experience it on your own terms, to figure out what works and why without being told what the design is supposed to mean. That might be the most valuable thing courses like Elie offer: the chance to encounter golf before it had to answer to anything but the ground itself.

https://www.top100golfcourses.com/news/before-architecture-elie-case-study

Spent some time at Elie recently and wrote about how the course unfolds over a round, especially through the front-to-back greens. Part of it was also thinking about architecture before there was a clear language for it.

Curious how others see it, and if there are other courses that hit a similar note.


Before Architecture Had a Vocabulary: Elie as a Case Study

Golf architecture has a language now. Golden Age architects wrote about strategic philosophy, heroic design, and penal architecture. They documented templates: Redan, Cape, Alps. By the modern era, architects like Pete Dye and Tom Doak were publishing books and creating frameworks for evaluation: risk-reward, half-par holes, shot values. Golfers of all levels added their own preferences, and layers of documented thought now sit between a golfer and the ground beneath their feet.

Elie Golf Links dates from 1589, with the current course formed 1895, long before we had language to describe what made a course good or terminology to label its features as 'unfair' or 'impractical.' Old Tom Morris walked the ground and let it dictate the golf. Elie wasn't designed to answer questions about templates or strategy because those questions hadn't been asked yet. It just is what the land wanted to be.

Early architects had almost no tools to reshape the land; they didn't have bulldozers, graders, or irrigation networks. They also didn't have the time, budget, or desire to get in the way. Without the means to fight the land, architects had no choice but to trust it, and the subtle rolls, odd tilts, and irregular slopes that give older courses their character emerge naturally because there was never anything to erase them.

Modern architects face the opposite condition. With heavy machinery and mass grading, they can pursue whatever theory or vision they want. The downside is that those natural details — features that might have anchored a unique hole — often disappear in the process, erased to make room for hazards or shapes that fit preferred ideas. The irony is that the ability to create anything has led to courses that feel less varied than the ones built when architects could create almost nothing. When you can reshape everything, it becomes easier, almost natural, to repeat the forms that have been praised before.

Front-To-Back Greens at Elie

The most distinctive feature of Elie is its eight front-to-back sloped greens. Members at Elie even claim that William and Henry Fownes took inspiration from their club when designing Oakmont, which also features many front-to-back greens. It's a design feature that is largely dormant, with most courses opting for back-to-front slopes that punish short misses and reward aerial precision.

In an era where distance overwhelms most classic designs, front-to-back slopes are a built-in defence that length can't defeat. Draw spin that puts you two yards deeper on a green anywhere else is likely to send the ball running off the back. A short iron from 150 yards demands a real decision about trajectory, spin, and landing zone rather than the automatic stock shot. It keeps the course honest without adding length or artificial difficulty.

Elie 10th Hole Green

Gary Lisbon

Front-to-back greens fell out of favour for both practical and philosophical reasons. Modern green construction standards are built so that nothing drains on to the putting surface. A back-to-front green can drop off sharply at the back without issue, because that edge isn't in play. Front-to-back greens don't have that luxury. But the main reason is philosophical. Golfers perceive them as unfair because a shot that's slightly long runs away from you in a way that feels disproportionate to the mistake. The shift towards aerial approaches stems from the belief that they offer the clearest, most objective measure of a "good shot." Early Scottish golfers had no such expectations. Rub of the green was literally in the rulebook, covering everything from a divot to a sheep kicking your ball.

Blindness at The Golf House Club Elie

These golfers didn't feel entitled to see every shot either; blindness was part of the sport, and to repeat what has been said many times in Scotland, "A shot is only blind once." Modern golfers expect to see the entire putting surface and flagstick from the fairway, and back-to-front slopes naturally provide that visibility, whilst front-to-back greens hide the back portion and obscure depth perception. The 6th at Elie is a clear example of that divide. The tee shot climbs over a rise to a fairway you can't see. The land falls and tilts in a way that feels both natural but slightly off-balance. Four bunkers sit in the middle of the fairway, 240–270 yards from the tee, and right beyond them begins a steep fall off to the green, which is severely sloped from front to back. By modern standards, it violates multiple "rules," and yet the hole works beautifully.

Holes like the 6th and 10th are appreciated by everyone who plays the course, but they wouldn't be replicated by a course today. Everyone claims to love links golf and its quirks, but there's an unspoken limit to that appreciation. The assumption seems to be that because these courses were built in golf's infancy, we can appreciate their oddities, but we shouldn't actually design like this any more.

I am wary of assigning too much blame to modern architects. Linksland is the best canvas the game has, and the early designers had first choice. Modern architects who've been fortunate enough to work on similar ground have produced plenty of great courses, even if they're more polished and less quirky.

Blind Opening Tee Shot Elie PeriscopeThe opening tee shot at Elie gives you a taste of what is to come...

Gary Lisbon

Old Tom Morris’ Routing at Elie

Great routing requires understanding how the land wants to be walked, and trusting that natural variety is enough. With the ability to reshape the ground freely, there's pressure to make every hole theatrical and to manufacture drama where the land might be quieter. The result is that many modern courses feel disjointed. It's like an action film that fills every scene with car chases.

Elie doesn't work that way. Some parts of the land are naturally dramatic, and some aren't. Elie's routing works because Old Tom didn't have that temptation, which gives the round a pacing modern courses rarely achieve. The round builds gradually. The early holes are solid but not spectacular; they feel like a warm-up, partly because a long stone wall confines them. The middle stretch opens up, revealing the course's range. Then, at the 10th, you reach the top of a hill, and the sea appears all at once. It's the natural climax because that's where the land delivers its most dramatic moment. The stretch along the shoreline that follows contains some of the best holes in Fife, with a feeling that the course has been building towards this all along.

Bay Links Elie Golf

Gary Lisbon

Then there's the finish. The beauty of it is how unremarkable it is. The course is built into the land, so naturally, at some point, you have to start working your way back to where you started. And that means the ending can't be, and shouldn't be, as grand as what came before. A modern architect might try to manufacture a grand finale here, to end with a flourish that matches the coastal stretch. But that's not what the land offers. The holes returning to the clubhouse are good but not breathtaking, and that restraint makes the whole course feel more honest. Not every part of the ground can be spectacular, and Elie doesn't pretend otherwise.

At Elie, we don't know what Old Tom was thinking. There's no overarching technical pattern, no documented philosophy to guide our interpretation. That lack of explanation is what gives the course its purity. You're forced to experience it on your own terms, to figure out what works and why without being told what the design is supposed to mean. That might be the most valuable thing courses like Elie offer: the chance to encounter golf before it had to answer to anything but the ground itself.

https://www.top100golfcourses.com/news/before-architecture-elie-case-study

The best golf hole you’ve ever played.

Let’s hear it, the first one that pops into your head. One sentence only. I’ll start…

Recency bias, but I think it’s #5 New South Wales for me.

Let’s hear it, the first one that pops into your head. One sentence only. I’ll start…

Recency bias, but I think it’s #5 New South Wales for me.

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April 7, 2026
Every Hole At ANGC

This series was below my radar until looking for the Palmetto write up and WOW this is sick, sicko level stuff. Awesome dives into the holes and some excellent photography (no surprises). Can't wait to read through everything.

Thank you Garrett, Cameron, and Matt and anyone else on the FEG team!

This series was below my radar until looking for the Palmetto write up and WOW this is sick, sicko level stuff. Awesome dives into the holes and some excellent photography (no surprises). Can't wait to read through everything.

Thank you Garrett, Cameron, and Matt and anyone else on the FEG team!

6
March 31, 2026
Savannah, GA Golf

Hi everyone, i am heading down to Savannah area for work this week and looking to get a round of golf in on the afternoon.

Looking for any recommendations on where to play?

Thanks!

Hi everyone, i am heading down to Savannah area for work this week and looking to get a round of golf in on the afternoon.

Looking for any recommendations on where to play?

Thanks!

March 30, 2026
Broomsedge Partnering with Thompson and Keiser

Big news for golf in the Southeast. Broomsedge immediately jumps near the top of accessible golf in the Southeast.

It won't be cheap but I think this is an awesome golf course and for some reason never got the pub it deserved when it opened.

https://www.thefriedegg.com/articles/broomsedge-golf-hospitality-private-club-model-keiser-thompson

Big news for golf in the Southeast. Broomsedge immediately jumps near the top of accessible golf in the Southeast.

It won't be cheap but I think this is an awesome golf course and for some reason never got the pub it deserved when it opened.

https://www.thefriedegg.com/articles/broomsedge-golf-hospitality-private-club-model-keiser-thompson

4
March 27, 2026
Live in St Andrews

Great to hear the team is coming to St Andrews for a live show. I’m very disappointed that I won’t be around that week to see it. I assume you’re playing the reverse Old Course as well, are you?

Great to hear the team is coming to St Andrews for a live show. I’m very disappointed that I won’t be around that week to see it. I assume you’re playing the reverse Old Course as well, are you?

1
April 8, 2026
Best Mid-Length Par 3s in Golf?

I was thinking about how many of my favorite and usually the most talked about or highly regarded par 3 holes are typically short and precise or long and heroic. Think Cypress 15/16, Merion 13th, Royal Troon "Postage Stamp" 8th, Pebble Beach 7th, Oakmont 8th, Sawgrass 17th, Portrush 16th, Pac Dunes 11th, LACC North 11/15, etc.

I'm not sure exactly what the cut-off yardage should be for a "short" and "long" par three but generally think it's <150 yards and >210 yards.

This leaves Augusta's 12th, "Golden Bell" as the front runner for best mid length par-3s in the world as well as the Old Course's 11th "Eden".

What are some of the other most notable mid length par-3s in golf?

I was thinking about how many of my favorite and usually the most talked about or highly regarded par 3 holes are typically short and precise or long and heroic. Think Cypress 15/16, Merion 13th, Royal Troon "Postage Stamp" 8th, Pebble Beach 7th, Oakmont 8th, Sawgrass 17th, Portrush 16th, Pac Dunes 11th, LACC North 11/15, etc.

I'm not sure exactly what the cut-off yardage should be for a "short" and "long" par three but generally think it's <150 yards and >210 yards.

This leaves Augusta's 12th, "Golden Bell" as the front runner for best mid length par-3s in the world as well as the Old Course's 11th "Eden".

What are some of the other most notable mid length par-3s in golf?

2
March 31, 2026
Course Being Renovated - what to look for?

Hi all,

This is a bit of a niche question, but I'm relatively new to golf course architecture. My home course is currently being renovated (the architect is Jay Blasi) and I'm going to be around the club some while it happens. Have any of you been close to a project like this? Anything interesting to look for?

Hi all,

This is a bit of a niche question, but I'm relatively new to golf course architecture. My home course is currently being renovated (the architect is Jay Blasi) and I'm going to be around the club some while it happens. Have any of you been close to a project like this? Anything interesting to look for?

0
March 23, 2026
Most Memorable Shots on Each Hole at Augusta National

FEGC Homies,

We have a rather big Augusta National project in the works ahead of this year's event and we could use your help. We are looking for the most memorable shots — good or bad — from each individual hole at Augusta National. Some are obvious, but if you have submissions (especially pre-2000) we are all ears. Feel free to drop them here!

FEGC Homies,

We have a rather big Augusta National project in the works ahead of this year's event and we could use your help. We are looking for the most memorable shots — good or bad — from each individual hole at Augusta National. Some are obvious, but if you have submissions (especially pre-2000) we are all ears. Feel free to drop them here!

2
April 1, 2026
Madison Public Golf: Odana Redesign?

I received news that Michael Kaiser will be helping fund the renovation of Odana Hills.


  1. does anyone have any information on how extensive the renovation of the course will be?
  2. this would put Madison now at 2 public courses redesigned by Kaiser… could quickly become one of the best cities to play 18 holes of golf under $50

I received news that Michael Kaiser will be helping fund the renovation of Odana Hills.


  1. does anyone have any information on how extensive the renovation of the course will be?
  2. this would put Madison now at 2 public courses redesigned by Kaiser… could quickly become one of the best cities to play 18 holes of golf under $50
1
March 6, 2026
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