Can you imagine how much golfers would hate it if they got a 10-stroke lead and then with 9 holes left they were brought back to a 1-shot lead due to a safety golf cart or something. The fair police would freak out!

When I saw the headline, I could only think of TCC Brookline - and it’s actual race track 1/18

To me the best F1/historic golf equivalent is Monaco and St Andrews. Both are historic/grandest stages for their respective sports and the technology of their respective sports has killed them. St. Andrews is now a pitch and putt for the tour pros unless the wind is howling. Monaco is a "parade" because the cars have gotten too big. Neither location has any room to expand and without governing body regulation both could lose their spots in the not too distant future.

I think given the nature of golf shots, since players land their ball within certain diameters (some larger some smaller depending on the skill level of the player) there will be a range of lucky and unlucky bounces/rolls/and lies. I think there should be a differentiation between "a lucky or unlucky shot", and considering if the course as a whole is fair or not. This is a relative scale based on the skill and desire of the player, but an unfair course could be a course that is too difficult for the skill level of the player. The course is asking for shots that the player just doesn't have. On the flip side, if a highly skilled player would play a easy course, this also isn't really fair. I think maybe one-dimensional courses could skew towards not being fair since it would mostly be asking for the same types of shots all round.

Agreed. Whenever I play with someone who complains about a "bad bounce" on what they think was a good shot, I challenge them that the next time they get a lucky break — like a favorable bounce off a tree from a wayward drive or a thinned approach shot that somehow runs out onto the green — they should throw the ball into a worse spot to even things out. Funny enough, they never seem to do that.

Have heard the same statement re: Lido after playing earlier this summer. I just cant imagine living life wanting no randomness and joy.

If you were starting a franchise tomorrow, what Cub player would you take and why is it PCA?

Excited to see them too. I remember you guys talking about them duting the round making a trip back a must. Hopefully no chips offs this time in whatever comp there is 😅.

Looking forward to the rest of the profile, Andy! Lots of changes to the course since you took these in ~2021. Excited for you to see them later this year.

I’ve been thinking about this quite a bit lately. I was talking to a member at my club who plays competitively (state Ams, Senior Ams), and I knew he had just played a state competition at Landmand. Naturally, I asked him how he liked the course. “Hated it, never want to go back” was the response. I was a little shocked, but asked why. His response was that good shots ended up with random results - i.e. - it wasn’t a “fair” test for competitive golfers. The Scottie sirens were going off in the back of my head, but I kind of get where he is coming from. I play to have fun and I love “quirky”, and Landmand is an absolute playground for me. He plays to test his game against others, and doesn’t feel like random bounces and huge contours properly test skill. There is probably a happy medium, but not everyone wants the same thing out of golf, so it’s hard to please everyone.