I've enjoyed listening to your reflections on your trip to Surrey/Berkshire and Kent. I was wondering if you could say a bit more about what fascinated you so much about RSG and Deal and why you had them seemingly higher than Sunningdale or St George's Hill. I play most of my golf on the west links of North Berwick, so maybe I'm spoiled by links and heathland feels like a change of pace, but I'm much more enamoured by the heathland than the links of southern England. That isn't to say that Kent courses aren't fantastic, but the routing, greens, and turf around Surrey only compete with the Sandbelt in my opinion. Is it a case of preferring links? Or is it something about the greens at RSG that put it over the top for you?
I've enjoyed listening to your reflections on your trip to Surrey/Berkshire and Kent. I was wondering if you could say a bit more about what fascinated you so much about RSG and Deal and why you had them seemingly higher than Sunningdale or St George's Hill. I play most of my golf on the west links of North Berwick, so maybe I'm spoiled by links and heathland feels like a change of pace, but I'm much more enamoured by the heathland than the links of southern England. That isn't to say that Kent courses aren't fantastic, but the routing, greens, and turf around Surrey only compete with the Sandbelt in my opinion. Is it a case of preferring links? Or is it something about the greens at RSG that put it over the top for you?
Kansas City Country Club posted some drone footage of its A.W. Tillinghast-designed course, which recently underwent a historical renovation by Andrew Green. Lots of cool-looking holes out there. I'm not a fan of the all-green-everywhere turf presentation, but just about every club does it these days, so I can't fault KCCC specifically.
Kansas City Country Club posted some drone footage of its A.W. Tillinghast-designed course, which recently underwent a historical renovation by Andrew Green. Lots of cool-looking holes out there. I'm not a fan of the all-green-everywhere turf presentation, but just about every club does it these days, so I can't fault KCCC specifically.
Seriously, what's the point of going through this exercise every two years? The list has barely changed.
Oh, right. Golf media outlets need to sell magazines and drive website traffic in November.
Also: I need something to talk about, and here I am. I'm part of the problem.
Anyway, I spent about 10 minutes comparing the 2023 and 2025 lists, and here are the main differences I spotted (I may have missed a few):
New-course debuts:
Childress Hall (Upper) at 73
CapRock Ranch at 84
Te Arai (North) at 98
Some of my colleagues have been to Tom Doak's Upper Course at Childress Hall, which opened last December, and they tell me that the hype is real. Amazing golf course. But I remain opposed to the idea of ranking a course ahead of Old Town Club and Machrihanish before it's even a year old. At least give the place time to grow in fully.
Double-digit risers:
New South Wales from 64 to 26
Royal Troon from 66 to 53
The Lido from 68 to 48
St. George's Hill from 71 to 57
Lofoten Links from 88 to 66
Bandon Trails from 90 to 76
Royal Melbourne (East) from 92 to 82
Shanqin Bay from 95 to 64
The Lido appears to be holding strong after a big debut on the 2023 list. It now out-ranks every Dream Golf course except for Pacific Dunes.
New South Wales recently underwent a renovation by Mackenzie & Ebert and seems to be reaping the benefits.
Double-digit droppers:
Ballyneal from 51 to 63
Cabot Cliffs from 52 to 78
Cape Kidnappers from 55 to 65
Woodhall Spa from 58 to 74
Rye from 72 to 90
Rock Creek Cattle Co. from 73 to 88
Cabot Links from 79 to 96
Winged Foot (East) from 80 to 91
Ohoopee Match Club from 81 to 99
Les Bordes (New) from 83 to off the list
I wouldn't read much into any of these declines (or into the rises I mentioned earlier, for that matter). A lot of the reshuffling from year to year is basically random. But I do think the new-car smell is starting to wear off of some of the modern courses listed above. The really good ones will bounce back in the panel's esteem.
Since I find this ranking somewhat boring, I'll try to spice things up: what do you think is the most overrated course on the list?
I'll stake my flag on No. 60, the East Course at Oak Hill Country Club.
Seriously, what's the point of going through this exercise every two years? The list has barely changed.
Oh, right. Golf media outlets need to sell magazines and drive website traffic in November.
Also: I need something to talk about, and here I am. I'm part of the problem.
Anyway, I spent about 10 minutes comparing the 2023 and 2025 lists, and here are the main differences I spotted (I may have missed a few):
New-course debuts:
Childress Hall (Upper) at 73
CapRock Ranch at 84
Te Arai (North) at 98
Some of my colleagues have been to Tom Doak's Upper Course at Childress Hall, which opened last December, and they tell me that the hype is real. Amazing golf course. But I remain opposed to the idea of ranking a course ahead of Old Town Club and Machrihanish before it's even a year old. At least give the place time to grow in fully.
Double-digit risers:
New South Wales from 64 to 26
Royal Troon from 66 to 53
The Lido from 68 to 48
St. George's Hill from 71 to 57
Lofoten Links from 88 to 66
Bandon Trails from 90 to 76
Royal Melbourne (East) from 92 to 82
Shanqin Bay from 95 to 64
The Lido appears to be holding strong after a big debut on the 2023 list. It now out-ranks every Dream Golf course except for Pacific Dunes.
New South Wales recently underwent a renovation by Mackenzie & Ebert and seems to be reaping the benefits.
Double-digit droppers:
Ballyneal from 51 to 63
Cabot Cliffs from 52 to 78
Cape Kidnappers from 55 to 65
Woodhall Spa from 58 to 74
Rye from 72 to 90
Rock Creek Cattle Co. from 73 to 88
Cabot Links from 79 to 96
Winged Foot (East) from 80 to 91
Ohoopee Match Club from 81 to 99
Les Bordes (New) from 83 to off the list
I wouldn't read much into any of these declines (or into the rises I mentioned earlier, for that matter). A lot of the reshuffling from year to year is basically random. But I do think the new-car smell is starting to wear off of some of the modern courses listed above. The really good ones will bounce back in the panel's esteem.
Since I find this ranking somewhat boring, I'll try to spice things up: what do you think is the most overrated course on the list?
I'll stake my flag on No. 60, the East Course at Oak Hill Country Club.
I have two tee times booked at Poppy Ridge in mid December. I got the earliest times I could get, and the Sunday time is definitely a twilight time with some finishing risk. My son will join on Sunday.
Sunday, Dec 14, 1:10pm, $100 per player (Chris Brooks, Jacob Brooks, two openings), pay at course
Monday, Dec 15, 12:20pm - pre-paid $486.00, $121.50 per player (Chris Brooks, three openings)
I will also book the 9 holer for Monday morning (lots of times available) once we have an idea of our numbers. I'm going to be staying somewhere in Livermore on Sunday night.
I have two tee times booked at Poppy Ridge in mid December. I got the earliest times I could get, and the Sunday time is definitely a twilight time with some finishing risk. My son will join on Sunday.
Sunday, Dec 14, 1:10pm, $100 per player (Chris Brooks, Jacob Brooks, two openings), pay at course
Monday, Dec 15, 12:20pm - pre-paid $486.00, $121.50 per player (Chris Brooks, three openings)
I will also book the 9 holer for Monday morning (lots of times available) once we have an idea of our numbers. I'm going to be staying somewhere in Livermore on Sunday night.
Just dropped a new blog going over a little BTS for an LPGA/Epson PT this past year! A short read for those who would be interested in hearing a little more about the physical therapists role with the players on a given week!
Can't get the link to work but if you copy and paste this URL it will take you straight there!
Just dropped a new blog going over a little BTS for an LPGA/Epson PT this past year! A short read for those who would be interested in hearing a little more about the physical therapists role with the players on a given week!
Can't get the link to work but if you copy and paste this URL it will take you straight there!
I had the great pleasure of meeting up with four FEGC members yesterday at Golden Gate Park GC. Myself along with Chris Brooks, Ray Gobberg, Brett Hochstein, and Jamie Hiteshew had a great round. We snuck out at 3:00 and played as a group of five. Rounds like this are truly what fill my tank.
There were plenty of good shots to recount, but my favorite moment of the day was when Brett, who is a wonderful guy and who also happened to do a lot of work on Golden Gate Park during the renovation, recommended we all hit low runners into the seventh green, which he shaped, to try to catch the contours in the ground and sling balls into the back right pin. For those of you who haven't played GGPGC, the seventh has an awesome green with three distinct quadrants. Each quadrant is relatively small, but there is a lot of mounding to work the ball into tight spaces. It's phenomenal work that Brett did and provides an equal amount of fun and challenge. I've added a couple of photos below.
The pin shown above is in the back left quadrant, whereas we were playing to the back right (just over the bunker in this picture).
Here's a more aerial view of the entire green. If you choose, you can run shots into the green using the ground and mounding on the left to feed balls hard to the right.
My highlight from the day, though, was when Jamie tried to snipe a 4i into the green and got a wee bit aggressive with his swing and sent the ball sailing onto the next tee box, coming to rest at the feet of the group of golfers in front of us. At that very moment, I remembered reading a lot of member intros where most identify as "not interested in fighting." Thankfully for us, Ray's immediate comment was something to the effect that there are five of us and only four of them AND they look old, so we can totally take them.
So I guess the TL;DR here is that Ray Gobberg is interested in fighting!
I had the great pleasure of meeting up with four FEGC members yesterday at Golden Gate Park GC. Myself along with Chris Brooks, Ray Gobberg, Brett Hochstein, and Jamie Hiteshew had a great round. We snuck out at 3:00 and played as a group of five. Rounds like this are truly what fill my tank.
There were plenty of good shots to recount, but my favorite moment of the day was when Brett, who is a wonderful guy and who also happened to do a lot of work on Golden Gate Park during the renovation, recommended we all hit low runners into the seventh green, which he shaped, to try to catch the contours in the ground and sling balls into the back right pin. For those of you who haven't played GGPGC, the seventh has an awesome green with three distinct quadrants. Each quadrant is relatively small, but there is a lot of mounding to work the ball into tight spaces. It's phenomenal work that Brett did and provides an equal amount of fun and challenge. I've added a couple of photos below.
The pin shown above is in the back left quadrant, whereas we were playing to the back right (just over the bunker in this picture).
Here's a more aerial view of the entire green. If you choose, you can run shots into the green using the ground and mounding on the left to feed balls hard to the right.
My highlight from the day, though, was when Jamie tried to snipe a 4i into the green and got a wee bit aggressive with his swing and sent the ball sailing onto the next tee box, coming to rest at the feet of the group of golfers in front of us. At that very moment, I remembered reading a lot of member intros where most identify as "not interested in fighting." Thankfully for us, Ray's immediate comment was something to the effect that there are five of us and only four of them AND they look old, so we can totally take them.
So I guess the TL;DR here is that Ray Gobberg is interested in fighting!
Garrett’s Bob Parsons impression on the architecture pod today was all time. Laughed so loud in my office, le wife had to come make sure I wasn’t choking on my bagel.
Also got me thinking, what are some other great impersonations we’ve heard over the years, golf-wise?…KVV’s Gary Player comes to mind immediately, as well as Porath’s ability to spit Paul McGinley bars at the drop of a hat.
Maybe PJ could put together an all-time FE impersonations power ranking…
Garrett’s Bob Parsons impression on the architecture pod today was all time. Laughed so loud in my office, le wife had to come make sure I wasn’t choking on my bagel.
Also got me thinking, what are some other great impersonations we’ve heard over the years, golf-wise?…KVV’s Gary Player comes to mind immediately, as well as Porath’s ability to spit Paul McGinley bars at the drop of a hat.
Maybe PJ could put together an all-time FE impersonations power ranking…
With the holiday next week, I will be doing a general mailbag with PJ, I will pull some questions from last week's architecture focused ones into the podcast but just wanted to put a call out for any questions. Thanks!
With the holiday next week, I will be doing a general mailbag with PJ, I will pull some questions from last week's architecture focused ones into the podcast but just wanted to put a call out for any questions. Thanks!
Today at 4:00 p.m. ET, we are going to reveal our 2026 FEGC and FE Events calendar. I'll include as much detail as possible but feel free to jump on and ask questions if you have them.
Today at 4:00 p.m. ET, we are going to reveal our 2026 FEGC and FE Events calendar. I'll include as much detail as possible but feel free to jump on and ask questions if you have them.
Sunday Night Baseball has officially moved to NBC. Why do I post that here?
With NBC now officially booked every Sunday Night of the year between NFL, NBA, and MLB, this adds a major hurdle to the myriad suggestions every year that the FedEx Cup Playoffs move to the west coast and air on primetime. I also wonder about west coast US Opens.
Sunday Night Baseball has officially moved to NBC. Why do I post that here?
With NBC now officially booked every Sunday Night of the year between NFL, NBA, and MLB, this adds a major hurdle to the myriad suggestions every year that the FedEx Cup Playoffs move to the west coast and air on primetime. I also wonder about west coast US Opens.
I've been listening to SGS from the beginning and I could probably count the number of episodes I've missed in that time on one hand. As such, I consider myself highly fluent in SGS-speak. Nevertheless, it seems like a nickname or two fell through the cracks. As a result, whenever these people are subsequently referenced in an episode, I have no idea who they are talking about.
One such player that came up for me from today's episode with "The Boys" was Freddie Ketchup. I've heard that name used numerous times and I still don't know who it is.
I'm hoping this thread can serve as a hub where people can ask for SGS nickname clarifications without fear of judgement :)
I've been listening to SGS from the beginning and I could probably count the number of episodes I've missed in that time on one hand. As such, I consider myself highly fluent in SGS-speak. Nevertheless, it seems like a nickname or two fell through the cracks. As a result, whenever these people are subsequently referenced in an episode, I have no idea who they are talking about.
One such player that came up for me from today's episode with "The Boys" was Freddie Ketchup. I've heard that name used numerous times and I still don't know who it is.
I'm hoping this thread can serve as a hub where people can ask for SGS nickname clarifications without fear of judgement :)
I was fortunate enough to win Lottery tickets for the Master's this April, Are there any additional course recommendations outside of Tree Farm and Old Barnwell. We were fortunate enough to play them last year, but the pricing this year is out of control.
I was fortunate enough to win Lottery tickets for the Master's this April, Are there any additional course recommendations outside of Tree Farm and Old Barnwell. We were fortunate enough to play them last year, but the pricing this year is out of control.
I know Fried Egg isn't equipment-centric (except when it comes to regulating it), but I thought I would start a topic near and dear to my heart - putters. I'm a Scotty Cameron loyalist, proud owner of 10 of them, and very excited to try the new OC line of low-torque putters that Scotty just released.
Putters, like golf architecture, are more of an art than a science, and different things appeal to different people. I'd love to hear from others on what they use, what they like, and what they collect.
I know Fried Egg isn't equipment-centric (except when it comes to regulating it), but I thought I would start a topic near and dear to my heart - putters. I'm a Scotty Cameron loyalist, proud owner of 10 of them, and very excited to try the new OC line of low-torque putters that Scotty just released.
Putters, like golf architecture, are more of an art than a science, and different things appeal to different people. I'd love to hear from others on what they use, what they like, and what they collect.
The National Links Trust announced yesterday that Rock Creek Park Golf Course, a municipal facility in Washington, D.C., is now closed for the first phase of a "full-scale rehabilitation project." I detailed the plans for this project back in 2023. The National Links Trust holds the lease to operate D.C.'s three National Park Service-owned golf courses: Rock Creek Park, Langston Golf Course, and East Potomac Golf Links.
From the press release:
"Currently, we are continuing our adaptive management approach to invasive vine, shrub, and tree removal and finishing site work before we begin vertical construction on the new, modern maintenance facility and clubhouse, driving range, and putting course. Vertical construction will begin in the coming weeks.
"Next spring, our intention is to reopen at least nine holes of golf with a modified routing to accommodate for clubhouse and maintenance facility construction. The holes that reopen will continue to improve in playability and conditions, like we saw this year, as the turf receives more sunlight and better airflow and the corridors expand to their historic widths."
Whereas phase one of the Rock Creek overhaul will focus on the property's buildings and practice facilities, phase two will include Gil Hanse's redesign of the golf course. Hanse plans to split the current 18-hole course into a nine-hole regulation course and a nine-hole par-3 layout.
The news that work has begun at Rock Creek comes amid concerning chatter out of NLT-managed East Potomac Golf Links, where the Trump administration is creating an enormous mound out of rubble from the ongoing East Wing renovation project.
The National Links Trust announced yesterday that Rock Creek Park Golf Course, a municipal facility in Washington, D.C., is now closed for the first phase of a "full-scale rehabilitation project." I detailed the plans for this project back in 2023. The National Links Trust holds the lease to operate D.C.'s three National Park Service-owned golf courses: Rock Creek Park, Langston Golf Course, and East Potomac Golf Links.
From the press release:
"Currently, we are continuing our adaptive management approach to invasive vine, shrub, and tree removal and finishing site work before we begin vertical construction on the new, modern maintenance facility and clubhouse, driving range, and putting course. Vertical construction will begin in the coming weeks.
"Next spring, our intention is to reopen at least nine holes of golf with a modified routing to accommodate for clubhouse and maintenance facility construction. The holes that reopen will continue to improve in playability and conditions, like we saw this year, as the turf receives more sunlight and better airflow and the corridors expand to their historic widths."
Whereas phase one of the Rock Creek overhaul will focus on the property's buildings and practice facilities, phase two will include Gil Hanse's redesign of the golf course. Hanse plans to split the current 18-hole course into a nine-hole regulation course and a nine-hole par-3 layout.
The news that work has begun at Rock Creek comes amid concerning chatter out of NLT-managed East Potomac Golf Links, where the Trump administration is creating an enormous mound out of rubble from the ongoing East Wing renovation project.
Did a handful of Augusta merch disappear or already sell out? Had a handful of shirts I was looking at earlier that have vanished now that I’m taking a second look.
Agree with all of these suggestions, would also add Pilgrim's Run (DeVries) to consider as well if the optimal time to stop takes you north of GR, versus Diamond Springs being more south.
Another to consider that is private but if you have a connection is Muskegon Country Club, which is a Ross design/re-design, not exactly sure the correct attribution there
The best part about "best" is that it's subjective, so you learn something about the person based on their response. And it's great water cooler debate.
Mike,
Don't forget The Dozen at Arcadia! Its a fun course for match play and buddies trip. Its six par 3s and six par 4s in two loops. Its a great addition to the resort.
Otherwise, you got the other The Fried Egg recommendations already on the agenda. If you are looking for a Thursday round in the area, I would look at adding:
1. Manistee Golf & Country Club - Delightful Tom Bendelow right on Lake Michigan. Shorter course at 5,600 that helps warm up after a drive. $35 to walk, $65 to ride.
2. Lincoln Hills Golf Club - Nine holes were designed by Tom Bendelow. Those are the fun holes in my opinion. A couple good breweries in Ludington to hit up after the round.
3. Manistee National - 36 hole facility. I feel like this resort was made for buddies trips. Newer ownership that has been making updates. New short course was added a year or two ago.
If you are want to take a break from driving and you are coming up 31, I'd recommend looking at:
1. American Dunes Golf Club - A unique experience in golf, and a special place if you are veteran or have family/friends who have served in the military. The club's mission is to raise awareness and funds for the families of fallen and disabled veterans.
2. Diamond Springs - Short detour. Mike DeVries' course that utilizes a single cut height of grass. Great land. My favorite of the DeVries' Trio.
Obviously, if you chat up Crystal Downs member in a Frankfort bar and get an invite, do that! Have fun!
If anyone is signing up for Onwentsia without a teammate and wants to partner up, let me know! Cannot promise great golf but I can promise no complaining.
I think I've played it 5 times in different winds and different pins and found it really intriguing each time. If you leave it up left on a right pin, it can be a nasty two-putt. Left to right wind and trying to get to the left pin can leave you another tough pin. I guess not as strategic but I think a great test.
12 on the other hand is the hole where I feel like I don't really have any option but hit it as far as I can and right of the green and hope for the best.
16 at Cabot Cliffs is one of those holes that has severely diminishing returns. Play it once it’s cool, play it twice it’s fine, by the third play your playing short left every time and rolling the dice if the ball releases close.
It’s a great setting for a hole but one of those golf holes that I wish we had more time on to make it more functional.
For any of the Baltimore side of the DMV: Fellow egghead Kevin Smith and I will be playing up at Greystone on Monday morning at 9:00. Got room for 2 more if anyone wants to join.
It is $495 per player and then they recommend caddies since it is walking only and honestly I will be glad for that after Lawsonia lol. I can’t seem to find the email where that was listed, but want to say it was $65 for that
I think it's just an overarching word. The first list of courses came to mind very quickly but I wasn't able to instantly think of mid-length holes that felt very memorable. I wanted to see what came to other people's mind since it feels like the more extreme ends of par-3s are more notable.
