Will Knights
Fun topic. Andy wrote about the 7th at Trinity Forest a while back. Something C&C have used a few times: https://www.thefriedegg.com/articles/coore-crenshaw-template-hole
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Link to commentWill Knights
Hey Steven, I would expect to book everything all at once, aside from meals. They move pretty quickly through that process. Excited that you made it through!
Link to commentPearce Barringer
Gil loves a short par 4 with a bunker about 200 yards out, and an elevated green. Something I've seen on his courses I've played, and comes up a lot on his new builds (7 at Fields Ranch for example) and in a lot of restoration work he does. He likes to put them earlier on in the round, too.
Link to commentJustin McCarthy
I think Mike Strantz had his own version of templates and the button hook hole is one. These button hook holes are almost like double cape holes (a cape shot on the tee shot and approach shot).
11 at Tobacco Road
2 at Royal New Kent
12 at Tot Hill Farm (kind of)
4 at True Blue
Pikewood National has a similar concept on their 8th hole, "Audacity".
Link to commentJamie Hiteshew
Sorry, Morgan. Can't make it on Sunday, but thanks for posting the opportunity! We'll find another time soon.
Link to commentEvan Baldridge
I think you are missing what makes 4 at Bandon Trails a good template, the ridge that crosses the fairway which could be easily found or constructed.
6 at Pacific could be found or constructed in a lot of places, and the 8th there certainly could as well.
Link to commentMatthew Schoolfield
17 at Sawgrass (1980) seems like the most obvious modern template, even if it's not super new or super interesting.
2 at Talking Stick O'odham.
7 at Brambles: approach/green complex mostly.
6 at Lake Merced: green complex (which I believe is a Hanse creation) .
9 at Soule Park.
4 at Soule Park: green complex.
16 at Poppy Ridge.
6 at Golden Gate Park: green complex... ideally with the fronting knoll exaggerated.
7 at Corica North: approach and green complex.
I guess I got a nine hole course out of it.
Link to commentWesley Domeck
Totally agree on this. The metroparks do a fantastic job overall, but I think a partnership with NLT would take the golf courses to a new level. Plans for Sleepy Hollow exist but would probably benefit. And would love to see Manakiki and the others get a face lift too.
Link to commentBrian Gracely
Pacific Dunes #6, Barnbougle #4, and Tara Iti #7 all seem to be a Doak template around the green that are well regarded.
#7 and #10 at Old Barnwell feel like they could be created on a lot of sites and would be interesting
#4 and #15 at Bandon Trails have that dogleg with a diagonal carry to a triangle shaped green benched into a hill template that could be done in a lot of areas.
#10 at Friar's Head and #15 at The Sandbox are interesting Par 3 Alps templates (old concept, with a different approach length)
Link to commentEvan Baldridge
I think Cleveland Metroparks have good inventory but not the means to vastly improve them.
Link to commentBen Denison
The C&C Lions Mouth hole is for sure a modern template
Link to commentBen Denison
Too bad you weren't there for last dog bowl, could have just stuck your tongue out and gotten all the rain you wanted ha!
Link to commentJohn Frankl
This hit on a feeling I’ve had for a long time but wasn’t able to verbalize. Same concept applies to hickories!
Link to commentBrian Gracely
I walked Yale a few years ago in late August and the combination of heat and those hills were the biggest physical test I've ever had. Of course, shame on me for not realizing there is no drinking water on the course. I completely new level of dehydration. I can see now what Doak meant when he said, "CBM not only wanted to provide a great challenge for golf, but he also wanted to physically challenge the students."
But god I love that finish on #18.
Link to commentBrian Gracely
OK, let's say 1995, because that would include Sand Hills, which is sort of considered the beginning of the minimalist era.
Link to commentDavid Wellen
I think an interesting variant of this question could be the 18 holes built after a certain date, say 2010
Link to commentMatthew Bird
The NYC courses could be so much better with some restoration and better management. With the overflowing state of the Tee Sheets though, there is no incentive to make any improvements.
Link to commentBrian Gracely
It's hard to believe now, because it sounds of out character for how Mike Strantz courses are described, but when Tobacco Road was opened in 1998 it was incredibly difficult. It was pre-ProV1 and the early metal drivers (e.g. Big Bertha). Even with the yardage book, there was blind or semi-blind tee shots on #1, #2, #5, #7, #15, #16, #18, and #9, #12, #13 had very narrow landing areas. And then everything off the fairway was gunch or unkempt sand.
They have removed the back/back tees on #13 and #14, but the spots are still up on hills if you walk back and climb up to look for them.
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